Russian arms sales to Middle East & North Africa

Vladimir79 wrote:Why not? we already lost $4 billion in Libya.

Is Russia going to stand up to the USA and the NATO and stop them from plunging the world into a catastrophic war?


I'm worried that nobody is going to check American aggression and that the nations of the world will sit by and watch America and the NATO rape more nations, just as they did with Afghanistan, Iraq, the former Yugoslavia, etc.


Somebody has to tell them to stay out of Libya.

Vladimir79 wrote:

GarryB wrote:And lost 12 billion in Iraq in weapons and oil deals...

And lost another $4-6 billion in Iran. It seems we are just happy to give up our weapon sales to appease French and American invasion plans.

You my friend speak truth. A multipolar world will be mopre prosperous & there must not be a single Hegemon; even if it be US or Russia.
Watchmen must be watched

Contracts with Libya since 2005 include (prices and year contract concluded listed in parentheses):

• modernization of Libyan S-125 Pechora-2 SAMs (SA-3 in NATO parlance) to the Pechora-2M level (<$100 million) (2009)

• purchase of 12 Tor-M2E SAMs (SA-15 in NATO parlance) ($300 million) (2010, though other reports indicate 2008)

• purchase of an unknown number of Igla-S portable SAMs (SA-24 in NATO parlance) (<$100 million) (2008)

• modernization of 145 T-72 tanks ($300 million) (2010)

• purchase of BMP-3M infantry fighting vehicles ($300 million) (not included on latest list)

• purchase of 6 Yak-130 training aircraft ($120 million) (2010)

• repair of 12 MiG-23ML fighter jets (<$50 million) (2006)

• building a factory in Libya to produce AK-103 machine guns under license ($500 million) (2010)

• purchase of 9M123 Chrystanthemum self-propelled anti-tank missile systems (not included on latest list)

• purchase of 3 Molniya missile boats, with 96 Kh-35 Uran anti-ship missiles ($250 million) (2010)

• repair and modernization of 2 Koni-class frigates and 3 Nanuchka II-class corvettes ($200 million) (2010)

In addition, various reports indicate that negotiations were fairly advanced on an additional $2 billion deal that was to include:

12-15 Su-35 fighter jets
4 Su-30MK fighter jets
Il-76 transport planes[
Ka-52 helicopters
48 T-90SA tanks
Pantsir-S1 self-propelled SAMs
1-2 Kilo submarines

All of these contracts and potential contracts will undoubtedly be canceled now.

Known contracts still to be fulfilled with Algeria are even more extensive:

purchase of 16 SU-30MKI fighter jets ($1.5 billion)
modernization of 250 T-72M tanks (150 already completed) (total value $200 million)
purchase of 16 Yak-130 training aircraft (part of $8 billion deal signed in 2006)
modernization of one Koni-class frigate and one Nanuchka-class corvette ($100 million)
purchase of 3 S-300 air defense systems and 38 Pantsir-S1 anti-aircraft missile systems (part of $8 billion deal signed in 2006)

Most of these are leftovers from the big contracts concluded in 2006, with just the fighter jets being a new contract signed in 2010 as a replacement for the canceled deal for MiG-29SMT fighter planes.

Syria is the other major customer for Russia’s military industry. Recent contracts that have yet to be completed include:

modernization of 24 MiG-29s to SMT level
purchase of 2 MiG-31M interceptors, second-hand from Russian air force
purchase of 8 battalions of Buk-M2E missile systems ($1 billion)
modernization of S-125 Pechora-2 SAMs to the Pechora-2M level
modernization of 200 T-72 tanks to T-72M1M level (part of $500 million contract to modernize 1000 tanks, 800 already completed)
purchase of 9M123 Chrystanthemum self-propelled anti-tank missile systems (status uncertain)
purchase of 36 Pantsir-S1 anti-aircraft missile systems (part of 2006 contract, 30 delivered in 2008-10)
purchase of 2 K-300 Bastian coastal defense systems

While the recent repression of anti-government protesters in Syria has not yet led to international sanctions or arms embargoes, the political uncertainty that now surrounds the Assad regime must make the Russian suppliers for these contracts very nervous.

Other contracts with potentially vulnerable states in the region include:

Yemen: purchase of 100 BTR-80A armored vehicles and 50 120-mm towed mortars ($60 million)
Egypt: modernization of 20 S-125 Pechora-2 SAMs to the Pechora-2M level (10 completed)
Kuwait: purchase of BMP-3 infantry fighting vehicles
Kuwait: purchase of 2 Murena assault hovercraft (as payment for Russian debt to Kuwait)
Jordan: construction of factory to make Khashim RPGs
Lebanon: purchase of 6 Mi-24 helicopters
Lebanon: purchase of 31 T-72M1 tanks
Lebanon: purchase 36 M-46 130mm towed guns
United Arab Emirates: purchase of 50 Pantsir-S1 anti-aircraft missile systems (16 delivered) ($800 million). Deal originally made in 2000, first deliveries delayed from 2003 to 2009.

The instability in North Africa and the Middle East is clearly likely to have a potentially quite significant negative impact on Russian arms sales to the region. The leaders of the two largest clients, Libya and Syria, are both currently engaged in fights for their political survival. International sanctions will close the Libyan market to Russian sales for the foreseeable future regardless of the outcome of the ongoing military conflict there. Although chances are that the Assad regime will survive the current wave of protests sweeping through Syria, the use of the army in mass repression may make it more politically difficult for Russia to sell arms to Assad in the future.

Meanwhile, there are few new customers in the region. Algeria has largely turned away from Russian equipment after its bad experience with the MiG-29 purchase. Morocco does not have the money to buy much in the way of advanced equipment. Egypt’s new government is likely to maintain its close relationship with the U.S. military. The Gulf States have traditionally purchased most of their military equipment from the U.S. and Western Europe as well and are unlikely to shift to Russian equipment, since most of them have the money to pay for the most advanced Western items and the political relationships to make such deals happen.

Given this situation, it seems that Russia’s arms exporters will have to focus primarily on Asia and Latin America in the foreseeable future.

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I heard Russia was going to supply Lebanon with some fighter jets a while ago. Any updates on that?

Palestinian wrote:I heard Russia was going to supply Lebanon with some fighter jets a while ago. Any updates on that?

Lebanon asked for Mi-24s instead, and last I heard Russia agreed.

Before some years they asked for MiG-29 but this order transformed to Mi-24, propably because of pressures by Israel. However no helicopter has been delivered by now

GarryB wrote:They already have Mig-29s, AFAIK the order was for about 12 new upgraded Migs and the upgrade of the rest of the existing fleet.

They already have Mi-24s as well and the change to helicopters presumably included a small batch of new helos and existing helos upgraded too.

You are mixing Syria with Lebanon Garry

Iraq could be a potential customer of MiG-35

George1 wrote:Iraq could be a potential customer of MiG-35

That would be very bizarre and entertaining.

Iraq intends to acquire Russian aircraft and helicopters to the amount of $5 billion

Iraq intends to acquire Russian armament, including combat aircraft and helicopters to the amount of $5 billion, Vzglyad.ru reports with reference to Iraqi news agency Shafaq News. This information was confirmed by Russian sources.

According to mass-media, Iraqi prime-minister, Nouri al-Maliki, should visit Moscow in October and several large contracts on delivery of Russian armament and combat equipment to the amount of $5 billion should be signed. According to the Iraqi source, «military contracts will include deliveries of Sukhoi and MiG aircraft, Russian Mi helicopters and other vehicles», bmpd blog report.

The blog’s source from Russia confirms the information, noting that the first package of contracts with Rosoboronexport will have a total value of $4.3 billion.

According to the blog’s information, it is planned to sign a contract on delivery of МiG-29М/М2 fighters, armored vehicles, air defense systems (in particular, 42 Pantsir-S1 weapon systems), 30 combat Mi-28NE helicopters, at that Iraq will in fact become the Mi-28NE’s launch customer. Presumably, the first package will include Pantsir-S1 and Mi-28NE.

http://www.ruaviation.com/news/2012/9/27/1236/

Russia might offer non-nuclear submarine to Morocco

ST.PETERSBURG, July 4 (Itar-Tass) - The Russian arms export/import agency Rosoboronexport has been promoting its non-nuclear submarine, the Amur 1650, on world markets. It intends to offer the submarine to Morocco if the tenders are held there, Rosoboronexport Deputy chief Viktor Komardin declared at an international naval show on Thursday.

If Morocco announces the tenders for a submarine we will take part and offer the Amur 1650, Komardin said.
Rosoboronexport intends to develop military cooperation with Morocco, Komardin said. He stressed the significance of an agreement on international economic cooperation that Russia had recently signed with Morocco. Recently, Russia has delivered to Morocco a batch of Msta-S self-propelled howitzers, he said.

Morocco is showing an active interest in weapons for air defense and ground troops, Komardin said. It is for Morocco to make a choice now, he added. Komardin highly appreciates the level of professional training of Morocco's officers who have recently attended a presentation show of Russian-made weapons.
The Amur 1650 submarine was designed by the Rubin Naval Design Bureau based in St.Petersburg which belongs to the United Shipbuilding Corporation.

The maximum diving range of the submarine is 300 meters. The submarine is capable to carry 18 missiles, torpedoes or mines.
Earlier, a number of media outlets said that Morocco intended to buy its first submarine. Russia and Germany were mentioned as possible exporters.

http://www.itar-tass.com/c32/795829.html

I couldn't find a better thread to post this on.

KBP report: http://bmpd.livejournal.com/589335.html
-KORNET to Irak
-METIS-M1 to Bangladesh
-PANTSIR S/S1 to Russia, Trak and Syria
-Combat module for ARMATA based IFV.
etc.

My Russian skills are not sufficient to provide an adequate translation for the article. On-line translation is rubbish. Can someone help provide a more detailed translation of the main points.

GarryB wrote:Also interesting that they are selling Kornet-E rather than the new Kornet-EM.

Well there might not be a need for anything greater; in the region only Saudi Arabia AFAIK has tanks that would require the very latest ATGM systems to combat.

Either that or Russia nor anyone else is willing to sell Iraq the very latest generation of ATGM systems for fear of proliferation, transfer to Iran or China for study, etc... so Iraq just has to make do with what they can get - and in fact it may be Russia that has offered Iraq the most capable system out of everyone else.

The Iraqi defence minister also met with rosoboronexport reps in Dubai.

AFAIK the French for example never had a "look" at any Iraqi MiG25s or SU24s in Iraq during the 1980s, when they were assisting with Mirages for example...

similarly Iraqis won't let Russians working on Iraqi Mi28/MiG35s to snoop around any Apaches/F16IQ they buy, and vice versa. This is relatively easy to do by having completely separate units/bases/depots for the "eastern" and "western" weapons, a standard operational procedure they've had for 40 years, keeping the different suppliers/types segregated. My uncle was an engineer in Nu'maniya during the 1980s in the "western" field factory for artillery and armour. They had French, South Africans, British etc... there was never a russian person there ever. and it was the "opposite" in Taji for example.

Most of the technology compromised due to Iraq in the past was the MiG21 flown to israel by a defector in 1966, one SU24 taken in 2003 and the various eastern european countries selling the allies data about Iraq's russian weapons to the allies during 1990 before the gulf war. In terms of electronics, the Iraqis already will have access to quite a bit of modern western radar/thermals/telco equipment, so russia has to be "competitive" with whatever the Iraqis are buying already.

sheytanelkebir wrote:The Iraqi defence minister also met with rosoboronexport reps in Dubai.

AFAIK the French for example never had a "look" at any Iraqi MiG25s or SU24s in Iraq during the 1980s, when they were assisting with Mirages for example...

similarly Iraqis won't let Russians working on Iraqi Mi28/MiG35s to snoop around any Apaches/F16IQ they buy, and vice versa. This is relatively easy to do by having completely separate units/bases/depots for the "eastern" and "western" weapons, a standard operational procedure they've had for 40 years, keeping the different suppliers/types segregated. My uncle was an engineer in Nu'maniya during the 1980s in the "western" field factory for artillery and armour. They had French, South Africans, British etc... there was never a russian person there ever. and it was the "opposite" in Taji for example.

Most of the technology compromised due to Iraq in the past was the MiG21 flown to israel by a defector in 1966, one SU24 taken in 2003 and the various eastern european countries selling the allies data about Iraq's russian weapons to the allies during 1990 before the gulf war. In terms of electronics, the Iraqis already will have access to quite a bit of modern western radar/thermals/telco equipment, so russia has to be "competitive" with whatever the Iraqis are buying already.

Yes, but all that assumes that Iraq is an independent country.
And maybe it is more or less by now; but America set the current system up and it would be naive to think that they don't have plenty of their own people in the power structures that will show whatever the Americans wish to see.

The only real reason the US is ahead right now is because of its client states and allies in Europe (particularly Eastern Europe), East & South-East Asia, the Arabian Gulf and the British Commonwealth who always buy from it.

Otherwise Russia would be powering through all the way:mg: 

flamming_python wrote:The only real reason the US is ahead right now is because of its client states and allies in Europe (particularly Eastern Europe), East & South-East Asia, the Arabian Gulf and the British Commonwealth who always buy from it.

Otherwise Russia would be powering through all the way:mg: 

Well that's a pretty big stake, and Russia also sell to it's allies what's wrong with that?

I love Russian weapons as much as i hate the anti US non sense...