Russian special military operation in Ukraine #56

Real life is keeping me a bit busy the last weeks.

But i tried catching up tonight and uploaded some new stuff.

take a look here in case you missed out on a video.

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Or just searching for anything to hit?

If one of those speed boats would hit a seal they would claim it was a "killer seal" trained personally by Putin.

that sending US troops to Ukraine means that his home district is a valid target for nuclear fueled extinction. 

Russia would annihilate those troops with conventional weapons.
Pretty sure the US would be the first to use nukes.

Some of the highest Ukrainian offices began to massively leak Russians the most important and sometimes secret information

Copium.
We are in a new stage of the SMO.
Instead of waiting for the weapons to arrive along the frontlines to destroy them cheaply,
Russia ist hitting them anywhere now.
Why?
Because the collapse of the whole Banderite project is now on the menu.

where you are to sing the anthem twice a day and hail the flag since you are some 5 or 6 y/o.

Some regime did this before.
Can´t remember the name of the country... 

Xi flies to Paris, the western media describes it as "two empires in negotiations"

Xi asked: "How much for your shitty country?"
The rest of the day Macron was thinking about the price.

 this is just ukraine, how are they supposed to stand up to US strikes

This are already american and other western troops using western made weapons.
Nothing would change.

cannot stop Ukraine from lobbing missiles and drones into the country 

Russia is stopping 90 to 95% of all attacks, while western made SAM systems are closer to 5%.
Now do the math how long a western force would survice with such an exchange rate.

thats just thge first wave of many coming

Hollywood is the sole murican Wuderwaffe.

Thanks to Disney that´s over, too.

The British BBC writes that the Russian army is now suffering minimal losses since the beginning of the SMO, and they were low even during the capture of Avdeevka. The biggest losses were during the assault on Bakhmut by the Wagners, when there was a story about their lack of ammo. The British and Russian foreign agents “Mediazona” note that the trend to minimize losses is associated with improved organization in the army and the use of advantages in firepower up to FABs.

https://t.me/VampireSix/2897

SeigSoloyvov wrote:The question then becomes, how many bodies are you willing to spend for the russians? because their KIA will sky rocket if US forces enter the conflict official of course we will also take heavy losses.

If your thinking "the gov wont be able to tolerate the losses"

oh they will, trust me on that because they are just barking the orders and won't care about the guys they send to fight of course they would make public statements saying so but behind the scenes they wouldn't give a shit.

US ain't Ukraine, thats a whole different beast.

More like how many bodies is the US prepared to spend for nothing?

You are completely delusional if you think that the US will be fighting Russia to a standstill right on its own borders (or within them), or match Russian firepower in theatre.

I personally do not either, advisors sure, and command staff okay but proper troops naw.

The politicians here love to pound their chest and say tough words.

But acting like if we did and the Russians would steam roll us is just pure fanboy delusion.

If the US sends 'advisors' then they will be KO'd without much difficulty just like all the mercs are or the regular Ukrainian army. Because they'll essentially just be smaller units of infantry embedded within larger Ukrainian formations, together with some crews for tanks, artillery, etc... dotted around.

You'd need the whole shebang. All the armored divisions, all the close-air support, the air cover, the artillery, all the logistics units. In fact logistically it would be a massive undertaking, you'd have to support hundreds of thousands of US soldiers in the Ukraine, where they are vulnerable to constant attrition from Russian bombs and missile strikes. Sure Russian forces are too, but Russian forces have extensive air-defenses and would be out of reach by any US strike means that's not in Eastern Europe or the Baltic Sea/Meditteranean.

Realistically I think that the US can only build-up sufficiently some place like Poland, and then together with Poland deploy maybe to Western Ukraine. Even then, it would just be an expeditionary force of the US Army or US Marines, not anything like the army that Russia fields.

We already had a lot of deaths of Americans, French, Polish and what not. So called "Non military" but all of a sudden its commanders, generals and what not. All died from natural causes of course not long after Russians were saying they died in the strikes.

Nothing came of it. West just hides the deaths and voila, its nothing.

Just a quick note to congratulate President Putin on his inauguration and wish him the best of luck in saving our world from the lunatics in the west.

Belisarius wrote:

The British BBC writes that the Russian army is now suffering minimal losses since the beginning of the SMO, and they were low even during the capture of Avdeevka. The biggest losses were during the assault on Bakhmut by the Wagners, when there was a story about their lack of ammo. The British and Russian foreign agents “Mediazona” note that the trend to minimize losses is associated with improved organization in the army and the use of advantages in firepower up to FABs.

https://t.me/VampireSix/2897

You need to inflate that data north for sure, as not every fallen is being reported this way, still, the numbers won't lie.
It is hell of a war, and Russkie lost some 70k men.
On the other hand, the same applied to the 404, ends up with numbers bypassing 600k and heading up steadily.
Now consider that from a cultural and sociological perspective.
This number of fallen tore apart the US society and forced the government to pull out from Vietnam.
In Russia, society hardly notices that as a tragedy. They are seeing the thing in a sacrifice category.

Hole wrote:
Russia is stopping 90 to 95% of all attacks, while western made SAM systems are closer to 5%.
Now do the math how long a western force would survice with such an exchange rate.

Jerusalem Post quoted the ...ekhm ... other system ... interception rate below 25%.
Now jokes aside, they were talking about Patriots. And as "the other" meant David's Sling.
It affected the Israeli decision to replace the Patriots with their toys, as soon as possible.
And yes, I would say that by watching materials from the latest Iranian attack, this 25-30% interception can be observed.
David's Sling is a de facto pimped up Patriot, made jointly by Rafael and Raytheon. Some of the technical solutions designed for it, were later used for upgrading the Patriot missiles and the system algorithms. And yes, Israel owned them, and used them.

Also, when your nazi regime is teetering on the brink, should one be making such blasphemous statements? I mean that cannot be good for your country.

Especially when his regime and the regime before took great effort to split the Ukrainian portion from the Russian portion of the church... but many supporters of the Ukraine will know by now if you don't sing exactly from the hymn book word for word you risk being called Putins puppet and being cast out of the congregation.

Zelensky seems to be in the process of casting out the Ukrainian church at every level because of their loyalty to Moscow... real or imagined... so I guess Zelensky is thinking of making a church of Ukraine with him as head speaking directly to god... I wonder how many billion god will end up offering?

According to him, intervention may be required if Kyiv loses.

And how would a few thousand dead American soldiers prevent a loss?

Is his son in the military?

Is it good or bad , that Ukrs shipping military supplies to Odessa port ?

By ship you either mass enormous numbers of trucks or trains to take the material you offload from ships, or you store it in warehouses and distribute it for whatever reason in your own time.

Sinking the ships and closing the port means they will just use other methods of delivery where storage and warehousing would be more difficult to locate.

Still the Ships remain unmolested and can offload tons of gear and hide in port area ! Surely easier to stop and inspect the Ships . Confiscate cargo if military supplies , before they land at port . Only speedboats are needed to do this .

Risk of ambush is too high, plus the vast majority of stuff is likely civilian stuff anyway.

Destroying weapons and ammo is more efficient if you let them collect it all in warehouses... especially stuff with warheads that will destroy things that would otherwise be hard to damage.

A warehouse full of tanks is not going to burn like a warehouse full of 155mm artillery shells.

A lot being said about NATO military advisors and technicians in Ukraine . French Artillery experts with 100 km range rounds ! And a barrel life of five rounds ! F16 bases with technicians in Ukraine , fodder for BM's . All arriving to give a much needed morale boost . Doubt very much all these to be of any substance , mostly propaganda .

HATO training relies on air control and artillery support and an inept third world opponent that can't cheat the way the west cheats.

US ain't Ukraine, thats a whole different beast.

If the US openly joins this conflict then tactical nukes become the sort of solution the Russians will be looking at, because once the US sends in troops then escalation is out of control and someone needs a slap. Tactical nukes would be that slap... either on Ukrainian territory where the HATO forces enter the country or perhaps the base in the HATO country the HATO forces entered the Ukraine from.

And don't pull the article 5 bullshit, Article 5 does not cover defending an ally that started something with the Russias.

Tanks are already high-value targets and a priority on the battlefield, so why not add more protection, especially when mobility is no longer required here ?

Mine clearing vehicles are a much higher value target than any tank on any battlefield. Mine clearing vehicles negate mines, when the MCVs are eliminated the mines become much more effective...

A NATO army with the US would not be able to defeat Russia with a conventional one. If they fielded their professional army, what advantage would they have in terms of number of soldiers? Currently, Russia will have only 1.5 million land forces, if any at all, and they will be well trained in real war.

More importantly HATO has just allowed the Russians to get their shit together when it comes to dealing with a modern enemy with air power and artillery and drones and air defence systems... anything that HATO has left to bring to the party is going straight into the deep end... from training to fighting combat experienced Russians.

This is the advantage the Germans had at the start of WWII where they essentially steamrollered most of Europe... they didn't have the best stuff across the board but their tactics were excellent and their training was good too.

For the price of a car I drive now - and don't want to degrade the segment - I can buy TWO China branded cars.
Same level.
Better equipped.
TWO.
They will just burn the EU car business, and put some salt on top.

The critical thing is that while this has long been this way, the important thing is now Chinese cars are as good or even better than European cars...

With cheap Russian energy going to China I get the feeling that Germany might come up with the bright idea of moving their car production to China to use the cheap energy and labour and technology, but why would China let them do that... they don't have much to learn from western car makers.

Also the russians cannot stop Ukraine from lobbing missiles and drones into the country and their bases and this is just ukraine, how are they supposed to stand up to US strikes lol.

Ukrainians launching long range strikes into Russian territory will most often be shot down... as we have seen with multiple Storm Shadow and ATACMS shoot downs over the last few weeks... even if they succeeded they would only get through to weakly defended targets of rather less consequence... but I would suspect even that would lead to an escalation in Russian targeting.

The US launching long range strikes at targets in Russia would result in US bases in Europe being hit...

How a US and Russian conflict would work out in Ukraine is hard to say sure, it could go in any direction and thats the problem here there is waaaaay to much unknown to be making claims, but its asinine and idoitic to think we would merely roll in there with those limited forces. Initial maybe but those numbers would climb and climb.

The US will not be sending troops officially into the Ukraine. When the French do they will be targets and fair game... and also a priority target...

Your problem is your acting all knowingly and full of BS assumptions, buddy you are no expert your like everyone here an arm chair expert because fanboys like your comments here you think you know what your speaking about lol.

The US pretending it is still the boss is amusing... it might be the boss for the weak... the west... but the mask has slipped and I don't think they are ready to fight Russia or China... no matter what the politicians say or think.

I personally do noit think US forces will roll into Ukraine but in the event we do, thats just thge first wave of many coming

Tactical nuclear missile exercises suggests they wont... but that if they do the Russians will be ready.

It seems the west is fucking stupid... Putin said before this conflict started that he had red lines and wanted to talk about real security in Europe for everyone and the US and HATO laughed.

They were surprised when Russia attacked Ukraine... but wasn't that obvious... especially considering the Ukraine was about to attack their autonomous regions to be followed up by an attack on the Crimea which is Russian Federation territory.

Putin keeps speaking and the west does not listen.

Unless US forces try to enter Russia proper nukes aren't on the table.

Of course they are... fighting US forces means fighting a nuclear power so of course nukes are on the table... nukes are on the table with French and UK forces too.

That said we have the range to counter and means to deal with Russian strikes.

You have ways to respond but you don't have ways to stop Russian strikes.

Though I generally agree with what you mean, the problem is it will only escalate.

They bomb us? we will respond and hit them, rinse and repeat and it will merely lead to massive build up of forces and more.

And this escalation spiral that is the issue... they might decide that matching the wests stupidity dumb move for clever move might not be enough to stop the escalation... it certainly has not worked so far. What has been good is that Russia has massively improved its position by its clever responses to stupid western moves, to the point where the rest of the world are starting to realise alternatives for western dominated international organisations... oil prices, food prices... all set on western markets, international trade in US dollars... all these things were normal and now alternatives are developing and will become normal soon too.

When the west sends troops into the Ukraine then Russia needs to do more than just match it... they need to punish to stop the escalation... they probably don't need to use nukes but maybe a nuclear weapons test might wake the west up to how close they are to the edge.

Real westerners don't give a shit about Ukrainians or the Ukraine... most probably can't find it on a map.

This is about ego for the west... they have talked themselves into a corner and if they step into the Ukraine officially then even you would agree they are legitimate targets... not just legitimate... but desirable targets... finally getting to kill the children of the people responsible for this conflict instead of their proxies.

It will not end with just 20k guys, it may start with that but more weapons, systems and strikes will be used as time goes on bomber forces will be employed and make no mistake we can hit russian anywhere and if they cannot fully defend their airspace from ukraine how in the hell are they soupposed to do it from us?.

You start hitting Russian targets then they will start sinking ships and blowing up HQs in Europe... lets see how good western air defences really are.

I do not think the U.S. will go in directly due to the risk of a nuclear war.

The US wont even attack Iran and some here think they will send troops to fight Russians?

I personally do not either, advisors sure, and command staff okay but proper troops naw.

The Russians already know where western forces are and occasionally hit them when it suits... those French forces hit a while back were likely advisors helping the locals use French weapons.

After attacks on the Black Sea Fleet several attacks were made on targets in Odessa that likely housed British experts who helped plan such attacks...

But acting like if we did and the Russians would steam roll us is just pure fanboy delusion.

It has been a recurring theme throughout this conflict... the west thinks it makes a show of force to make the Russians back down and the Russians apply a counter that makes the western move backfire or hurts them rather more in response.

What sort of HATO training will enable a US group of soldiers to counter artillery and cruise missiles.... western units have huge logistics tails and lots of equipment... rather hard to hide.

Russia is stopping 90 to 95% of all attacks, while western made SAM systems are closer to 5%.
Now do the math how long a western force would survice with such an exchange rate.

Even more so when you consider the Russians are not running out of missiles and drones of all types, while the west is really struggling.

No... they are not struggling... they are making a few missiles per billion dollars they are offering in loans for the missiles they are providing....

Nothing came of it. West just hides the deaths and voila, its nothing.

They would have to take media with them if they sent forces into the Ukraine because it is all PR BS so they would need to document it... and when it gets taken out on camera... and the Russians will likely film it too... then the knives will be out in the west and governments will fall.

One point I would like to make... considering his history... does anyone think the west could do anything to make Putin back down and lose this conflict?

Do you think Zelensky and his dream list have any chance of being implemented?

I would say the US embassy and lots of government buildings in Kiev would be leveled first...

In Russia, society hardly notices that as a tragedy. They are seeing the thing in a sacrifice category.

The west has made it a necessary sacrifice and something Putin is not going to throw away just so the west can pretend they didn't lose and that HATO and the US and EU remain relevant.

The US essentially threw Europe under the bus in an attempt to damage Russia... instead they made Russia stronger than it has been for a very very long time... and India should take note because the US wants to do the same to India as they did with Europe against China.

GarryB wrote:

The US essentially threw Europe under the bus in an attempt to damage Russia... instead they made Russia stronger than it has been for a very very long time... and India should take note because the US wants to do the same to India as they did with Europe against China.

Because it if a war against the EU, first of all, and I repeat that again and again.
US tried to use one stone to kill multiple chickens, and unfortunately, they have succeded in that in a wide scope.
Back in early 00s, it was getting clear that EU formed by the people like Chirac, Schroeder or Berlusconi is heading in a clear direction of fraternizing with Russia.
On mutual benefit base.

The project of throwing EU under the bus was started in 2000, when EU announced a Lisbon Strategy that was targeting bypassing the US in all the economic parameters, by 2010.
A situation when EU will form an unitary political system in a sort of federation, that will be connected with Asia with friendly Russia as a west-east hub, was a no-go for the US based masters of the puppets.

Belisarius wrote:

The British BBC writes that the Russian army is now suffering minimal losses since the beginning of the SMO, and they were low even during the capture of Avdeevka. The biggest losses were during the assault on Bakhmut by the Wagners, when there was a story about their lack of ammo. The British and Russian foreign agents “Mediazona” note that the trend to minimize losses is associated with improved organization in the army and the use of advantages in firepower up to FABs.

https://t.me/VampireSix/2897

Needs to be pinned to the top of every page for every naysayer that asks why Russia is still not in Lvov yet

US tried to use one stone to kill multiple chickens, and unfortunately, they have succeded in that in a wide scope.

They are only succeeding in cutting the branch on which they are sitting.
Without the money coming from EU taxpayers the US is doomed.

China said: Swiss "peace" conference is a piece of craps.

https://www.rt.com/news/597093-china-ukraine-peace-conference/

Xi refuses to back Zelensky’s unilateral ‘peace conference’
Any talks should be recognized by both Russia and Ukraine, the Chinese leader has insisted

Chinese President Xi Jinping said on Monday that he would support an international Ukraine peace conference only if it’s recognized both by Moscow and Kiev with equal participation of all parties.

higurashihougi wrote:China said: Swiss "peace" conference is a piece of craps.

https://www.rt.com/news/597093-china-ukraine-peace-conference/

Xi refuses to back Zelensky’s unilateral ‘peace conference’
Any talks should be recognized by both Russia and Ukraine, the Chinese leader has insisted

Chinese President Xi Jinping said on Monday that he would support an international Ukraine peace conference only if it’s recognized both by Moscow and Kiev with equal participation of all parties.

Just trying to wrap my head around this, how do you have peace talks/peace conference wirhout inviting one of the parties involved in the conflict. Actually, we saw this once before. Where? Munich 1938. For all the shit the liars in the EU give Russia it is they who are acting like its Munich 1938 not Russia.

1540 Ukrainian casualties in the past 24 hours. One of the highest daily totals lately.

https://function.mil.ru/news_page/country/more.htm?id=12511982@egNews

A few updates

On May 6, Russian servicemen claimed their control of the village of Kislovka in the Kharkiv region. Russian flags were raised throughout the settlement.

The Russian 1st Tank Army reportedly competed the mop up operations in the villages of Kislovka and Kotlyarivka, hoisting Russian flags over settlements in the Kharkiv region.

And apparently. If true the cracks are starting to show in the hierarchy or maybe it's false news just to say the big bad Russians are at work. But what we know is Zelensky is more trouble for Ukraine than Russia.

On May 7, the Security Service of Ukraine (SBU) reported that two senior officers of the State Security Department of Ukraine were detained on suspicion of “preparing an attempt on Vladimir Zelensky.” The SBU claims that attempts on the Ukrainian leaders of state security officers were allegedly ordered by Russian special services.

The head of one of the departments of the Administration of State Guard of Ukraine, Andrei Guk, was detained suspected of treason. The security forces accuse him of collecting and transmitting information on a number of protected persons, including President Vladimir Zelensky.

Colonel Andrei Guk and his unnamed colleague, another officer with the rank of colonel, were detained on allegation for preparing together with three other persons attempts on the President of Ukraine and a number of other high-ranking officials, including the director of the SBU and the chief of military intelligence (GUR). As a result of search operations, weapons and ‘a number of other evidence of the involvement of the suspects in the preparation for the attacks were found’.

According to the SBU, Zelensky was planned to be “taken hostage.” Then the head of the Kiev regime had to be eliminated. As for the head of the Main Intelligence Directorate of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine, they were going to kill him by launching a missile attack on his house. The attackers allegedly were going to destroy the possible survivors of the attack with the strikes of unmanned aerial vehicles. At the same time, the SBU claims that drones and mines were personally brought by the colonel Guk from another region of the country.

Journalists clarify that the operation of the Ukrainian security forces took place on May 5. Andrei Guk was close to the head of the state guard, Sergei Rud, who was appointed to the post by Zelensky himself. Therefore, the detention of officers is likely another manifestation of the internal struggle in the leadership of the Ukrainian law enforcement agencies
Reported on South front

Hole wrote:
They are only succeeding in cutting the branch on which they are sitting.
Without the money coming from EU taxpayers the US is doomed.

Yeah, but they will get a lot of that money, in different forms.
Reselling Russian gas as "murican" is just one of the options.
Europe will finally speed up defense spending - how do you think, who will get the lions' share of it?
Nuclear power plants - replacing Rosatom fuel supply by the Westinghouse crap was being trained at Zaporoskaya NPP. Caused multiple issues, but who cares?
European countries that are being pushed into "cooperation" with banqrupted US based nuclear business players like Westinghouse, to ink a E20 bln "deals" that will be clearly delayed by years. Based on outdated technology. And executed by a banqrupted company that won't apply any added value to the contract.
All that money will be well spent, in the US, don't you worry about that

ucmvulcan wrote:
Just trying to wrap my head around this, how do you have peace talks/peace conference wirhout inviting one of the parties involved in the conflict.  Actually, we saw this once before.  Where? Munich 1938.  For all the shit the liars in the EU give Russia it is they who are acting like its Munich 1938 not Russia.  

The "Peace Talks" would end something like this:

We except the unconditional surrender of the Russian Federation and we agree that all Russian Forces withdraw to a designated area behind the Ural mountains.

Mir wrote:

ucmvulcan wrote:
Just trying to wrap my head around this, how do you have peace talks/peace conference wirhout inviting one of the parties involved in the conflict.  Actually, we saw this once before.  Where? Munich 1938.  For all the shit the liars in the EU give Russia it is they who are acting like its Munich 1938 not Russia.  

The "Peace Talks" would end something like this:

We except the unconditional surrender of the Russian Federation and we agree that all Russian Forces withdraw to a designated area behind the Ural mountains.

So just like Munich 1938.

Arrow wrote:

Let's hope this isn't a prelude to another world war.

It already is a world war. Lets just hope that it stays low intensity despite all the western efforts to escalate it.