Syrian War: News #21

par far wrote:So Erdog has sold his Terrorists for some tomatoes. And now he saying that that turkey will push rapeugees into Europe, how long until he is taken out?

Never. Europe are a bunch of cucks and wont do shit.

USA is trying its best to give into Erdogan but also not working since they are also pissed off at Erdogan for other reasons but know there is no one else to work with.

All the hype from the Turkish press has been effectively reflected by the Western press. As if the are little girls

while Turkish drone army has been effectively shut in a single day from the moment Russians announced Idlib air space closed.

Also it seems to me that Turkish army behaved more like a horde riding to the front as if on horses and only Syrian Army lack of basic capability for example to quickly perform massive

artillery strike prevented its utter destruction.

In other words, Turks would have to commit more in numbers of man and equipment to effectively crush Syrian Army and so behind their words stood only few battalions.

There is a saying in Germany which roughly translates to: "Let someone run into a knife." That is what Russia did to Turkey/Erdogan in the last few days. Some people in Moscow wanted to see how the Turkish would behave if they get the opportunity. Now the Russians know. Now they can send more air defence systems and other useful stuff to Syria. If someone in the west cries about it the Russians can shrug their shoulders and point to Turkey.

Viktor wrote:All the hype from the Turkish press has been effectively reflected by the Western press. As if the are little girls

while Turkish drone army has been effectively shut in a single day from the moment Russians announced Idlib air space closed.

Also it seems to me that Turkish army behaved more like a horde riding to the front as if on horses and only Syrian Army lack of basic capability for example to quickly perform massive

artillery strike prevented its utter destruction.

In other words, Turks would have to commit more in numbers of man and equipment to effectively crush Syrian Army and so behind their words stood only few battalions.

The Middle East has never seen a professional, competent soldier. They have all been thugs in uniform that act on base instinct. The soldiers of the Ottoman Empire
are solid evidence of this. They were a collection rapists. And the Ottoman Empire was the most organized system in the region.

BTW, the revisionist tripe about Russian soldiers raping 2 million German females during WWII is self-evident propaganda since rapists do not
make good soldiers. Russian soldiers defeated the super-organized and efficient Germans and not via any "human wave attacks" which is
a deliberate anachronic reference to the Korean war of the 1950s.

One of my relatives who kicked Hitler's ass back to Germany found a high quality stamp collection and did not loot it. Russian soldiers
had real discipline on the front and on German soil. Rape and pillage was considered criminal and treated as such. That cannot be
said even for the German soldiers, who were allowed to murder civilians for fun.

The Ottoman wrote:@Airbornewolf

If it was not for the Turks, your country and people would be raped and looted by Philips II of Spain and your mother would give head to Spanish soldiers. The Ottomans were the first nation that recognized a independent Holland and formed a alliance with them to fight Spain in the 80-Year War when the rest of your brotherly European friends just look the other way. So you must thank the Turks a lot. I am not complaining because a lot of Dutch girls thanked me a lot

i know i am sort of tresspassing the "do not feed the trolls" rule here.

Listen Turk, as Ottoman refers to something from history that you share not any value or standards with. The only positive Turkish people contributed to my country where the guest worker's from the 60's that decided to stay here because your own Turkey was one big shithole they wanted to escape from.

And you know what?, they worked for their right to stay here.
But you know what they think of their Sons and the likes of you?. as Losers.
All mouth, fancy talk, but no honest hard day of work.
Rather keep their hand up for free money of state social welfare than keep their Honor intact.
Dodging mandatory Turkish conscription any way they can because they, ..like you are cowards.

All your generation of turks are famous for around here is getting to our national T.V's police most wanted list.

You and your "people's" delusions of grandeur are based on fiction and historical facts that are not your own, and are not reflected by character or actions whatsoever.
Any agreement you make, you break it.
Any fight you start, you seek to draw other party's into it.
twisting reality enough untill its to the point it suits your own narrative.
you always act from the point of an unreasonable emotional impulse.

Healthy reasoning seems alien to Turks. Rather take a Huff of that Erdo-Propaganda and take a shot of that super-Turk serum! .

No one in modern millitary history fears a Turk, no one.

^ and there it is in a nutshell folks. +1

crod wrote:^ and there it is in a nutshell folks. +1

Pretty much. When was the last time Turkey fought outside its borders for land? Over 100 years ago? The last chunk in the 1920s it got as a gift from the French who wanted out. Cyprus doesn't count.

As they warn on investment products 'past performance may not be a guide to future performance'. Just because a country was a huge power in the past doesn't mean it can be again. Even the largest empires turn to dust.

PapaDragon wrote:

My my my....that little testicle saque dangling south of the M4 looks like it's ripe for a little squeezing and massaging.

The Turks should not be allowed to consolidate territory in Norther Syria as they did in Northern Cyprus. They have zero ethnic
claim to this region. And Idlib has nothing to do with Turkey's Kurd problem which is the only fig leaf they can use.

auslander wrote:

My my my....that little testicle saque dangling south of the M4 looks like it's ripe for a little squeezing and massaging.

I would have thought that there was a mass migration north going on from that area at the moment. All those not wanting to be trapped south of the M4.

Hole wrote:There is a saying in Germany which roughly translates to: "Let someone run into a knife." That is what Russia did to Turkey/Erdogan in the last few days. Some people in Moscow wanted to see how the Turkish would behave if they get the opportunity. Now the Russians know. Now they can send more air defence systems and other useful stuff to Syria. If someone in the west cries about it the Russians can shrug their shoulders and point to Turkey.

That does not mean the tests will stop  and yes when during next Syrian Army offensive for any reason Turks express some reasons to stop the shooting they will not get and

thats only reactive part to the truth learned. Its inductive part could be much more interesting.

kvs wrote:
The Middle East has never seen a professional, competent soldier.   They have all been thugs in uniform that act on base instinct.   The soldiers of the Ottoman Empire
are solid evidence of this.   They were a collection rapists.   And the Ottoman Empire was the most organized system in the region.  

I would not be surprised to find out that elite Ottoman solders where much more disciplined than the present day Turkish Army solder.

kvs wrote:BTW, the revisionist tripe about Russian soldiers raping 2 million German females during WWII is self-evident propaganda since rapists do not
make good soldiers.   Russian soldiers defeated the super-organized and efficient Germans and not via any "human wave attacks" which is
a deliberate anachronic reference to the Korean war of the 1950s.  

I agree. People who spread such propaganda in the time of peace should be dealt with as same as it where time of war since the intention is the same and the purpose is the same.

kvs wrote:One of my relatives who kicked Hitler's ass back to Germany found a high quality stamp collection and did not loot it.   Russian soldiers
had real discipline on the front and on German soil.   Rape and pillage was considered criminal and treated as such.   That cannot be
said even for the German soldiers, who were allowed to murder civilians for fun.

There is fundamental difference between the people who use their heads to move around and the ones who use their needs to move around.
The concept of capitalism feeds on the "need to have" thus people whose actions are govern by the need instead on their thoughts needs to be breed.
Socialism was the form of governing where social values rain supreme over every other thus materialism as a form of value that around it organised human time
was in the mind of people of such society thrown into a pit of irrelevance.

Krasnopol guided round in Syria. Much more effective than turkish UAV's atgm. A drone can use the laser for targeting while the krasnopol can be launch from a variety of guns. Add to that it is a big round that can dammage a big building and has a precision of few meters or maybe even less than 1m.

LuftwaffeAS
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The Fulcrum in question sadly crashed few kilometers at the outskirt of Sheirat village towards the north east of the airfield scoring the first loss of such type in SyAAF service, the pilot was KIA.

kvs wrote:

The Middle East has never seen a professional, competent soldier. They have all been thugs in uniform that act on base instinct. The soldiers of the Ottoman Empire
are solid evidence of this. They were a collection rapists. And the Ottoman Empire was the most organized system in the region.

viktor wrote:

I would not be surprised to find out that elite Ottoman solders where much more disciplined than the present day Turkish Army solder.


Who where Janissaries?

Isos wrote:Krasnopol guided round in Syria. Much more effective than turkish UAV's atgm. A drone can use the laser for targeting while the krasnopol can be launch from a variety of guns. Add to that it is a big round that can dammage a big building and has a precision of few meters or maybe even less than 1m.

That´s what I´m talking about the whole time. These cessna-like armed drones are good if you are an occupying force that has to fight against the whole population of a country but if you got clear frontlines, like Russia and the SAA do, small recon drones to guide artillery/air strikes are much better. And cheaper in the end.

franco wrote:    
kvs wrote:

   The Middle East has never seen a professional, competent soldier.   They have all been thugs in uniform that act on base instinct.   The soldiers of the Ottoman Empire
   are solid evidence of this.   They were a collection rapists.   And the Ottoman Empire was the most organized system in the region.  

viktor wrote:

   I would not be surprised to find out that elite Ottoman solders where much more disciplined than the present day Turkish Army solder.


Who where Janissaries?

The last good fighters in the region (before the SAA) were commanded by Salahadin.

Hole wrote:

franco wrote:    
kvs wrote:

   The Middle East has never seen a professional, competent soldier.   They have all been thugs in uniform that act on base instinct.   The soldiers of the Ottoman Empire
   are solid evidence of this.   They were a collection rapists.   And the Ottoman Empire was the most organized system in the region.  

viktor wrote:

   I would not be surprised to find out that elite Ottoman solders where much more disciplined than the present day Turkish Army solder.


Who where Janissaries?

The last good fighters in the region (before the SAA) were commanded by Salahadin.

Kurd(s) if my history is correct and Janissaries were mostly Europeans.

franco wrote:

Hole wrote:

franco wrote:    
kvs wrote:

   The Middle East has never seen a professional, competent soldier.   They have all been thugs in uniform that act on base instinct.   The soldiers of the Ottoman Empire
   are solid evidence of this.   They were a collection rapists.   And the Ottoman Empire was the most organized system in the region.  

viktor wrote:

   I would not be surprised to find out that elite Ottoman solders where much more disciplined than the present day Turkish Army solder.


Who where Janissaries?

The last good fighters in the region (before the SAA) were commanded by Salahadin.

Kurd(s) if my history is correct and Janissaries were mostly Europeans.  

Saladin is seriously over-rated.


The region's last great warriors were the Turko-Circassian Mamelukes.


It is they who stopped the Mongols, and it is they who permanently drove away the crusaders.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNZofJbM0Q4



It is funny that some Western Europeans claim that if the Western Europe was invaded by the Mongols "our knights would have destroyed them" but in reality a crusader ruler like Bohemond VI was a Mongol vassal.

Odin of Ossetia wrote:
It is funny that some Western Europeans claim that if the Western Europe was invaded by the Mongols "our knights would have destroyed them" but in reality a crusader ruler like Bohemond VI was a Mongol vassal.

Mongols were never able to took a big european city west of Russia (historical Russia)! But it's true in open field they were superior due to their fast and agile attacks.

Problem of cities and regions in Russia against the Mongols...they were not unified! Only after the mongolian threat was recognized, some leaders unified, but it was too late. And Mongols used dirty tactics to conquer cities. On their attack on Wladimir, the faked a retreat, and annhilited the attacking forces, without their fake the siege would have taken months or would be a failure. Mongols needed two months to besiege Kozelsk. Mongols never took over north-western part of Russia, Nowgorod became an ally and vassal of the Mongols.

But you are right, the Mameluk saved the islamic world of middle eastern. That's why all important islamic universities are now in Egypt and not in Saudi Arabia. The holy sites are in Saudi Arabia, but due to the universities the centre of islamic world is Egypt.

Hole wrote:

The last good fighters in the region (before the SAA) were commanded by Salahadin.

Difficult to say...!

Europeans (USA, Australia, New Zealand and Canada included) are good fighters today, because they are disciplined and are organized in nations and not tribes. So nationalism (in a positive way!) is the motor for european success. And the armies are really professionell!!!

Most arabs have a problem with the motivation! They are saying, that they love their nation, but are not willing to fight for it. It's different when it comes to defending the home region or the tribe. During the 9 years of conflict SAA and militia were effective in defending against the jihadis, especially in west of Syria the defense was harder and better, because in western coastal parts most of the "minorities" are living (Alawites, Druze and Christians). But in offensive...real disaster! SAA learned in the 9 years a lot, and the payed for it, with blood....a lot of blood of their soldiers.

The jihadis of course have the best motivation!!! They are willing to sacrifice their life for Allah. Thank god, they had never really good access to the arsenal of a modern army...a pickup is not a tank, let's not forget. The IS had only a few tanks (captured in Syria and Iraq) and not really the capability to use them correct. Second point is, they are unorganized and undisciplined, like HTS today. Most money spend for the jihadis are small arms, TOW, wages and...PROPAGANDA.

Don't underestimate the Turks, they are disciplined and organized...in contrary to most arab countries and well armed to the teeth! Nationalism is strong force that propels turkish army and unite turkish nation. Erdogan is of course a idiot, because he fired ten thousands of officers and generals of Turkish Army. Now the Turkish Army lacks experience and good staff...good for Syria.

kvs wrote:The Turks should not be allowed to consolidate territory in Norther Syria as they did in Northern Cyprus.   They have zero ethnic
claim to this region.   And Idlib has nothing to do with Turkey's Kurd problem which is the only fig leaf they can use.

They will be kicked out of Syria, sooner or later

Problem this time was, that the traitor SDF was not on the side of SAA, instead busy with licking Uncle Sam's ass. With their tongue deep inside the arse, they lost the right moment of opportunity for their autonomous region. The forces of SDF united with SAA and good equipment is the formula for success. Turkey has not the strategic depth to hold on against Syria and to push back Syria, they will need at least minimum 100.000 soldiers involved, a prize that Turkey is never willing to pay for some jihadis and 30 km of syrian territory.

What is more important for Turkey??? A small part of Syria, where only a few goat farmers are living, or big projects like Turk Stream? What is generating more money in a year? Russia is very important for Turkey, because the EU will never accept Turkey as a partner, every turk knows this. And in contrast to EU Russia is not interfering in turkish domestic politics. So Turkey will try to balance between Russia and EU, to get the best profit.

Next offensive, Turkey will be silent...the turkish OP will remain for while. A small bufferzone for Turkey will be created, maybe 5 or 10 km. And after a few years Turkey will retreat complete, with nice contracts of rebuilding Syria. Sounds hard, but the butcher of Syria (Turkey) will come back as a partner...irony of history, we have seen million times.

Azi wrote:

kvs wrote:The Turks should not be allowed to consolidate territory in Norther Syria as they did in Northern Cyprus.   They have zero ethnic
claim to this region.   And Idlib has nothing to do with Turkey's Kurd problem which is the only fig leaf they can use.

They will be kicked out of Syria, sooner or later

Problem this time was, that the traitor SDF was not on the side of SAA, instead busy with licking Uncle Sam's ass. With their tongue deep inside the arse, they lost the right moment of opportunity for their autonomous region. The forces of SDF united with SAA and good equipment is the formula for success. Turkey has not the strategic depth to hold on against Syria and to push back Syria, they will need at least minimum 100.000 soldiers involved, a prize that Turkey is never willing to pay for some jihadis and 30 km of syrian territory.

What is more important for Turkey??? A small part of Syria, where only a few goat farmers are living, or big projects like Turk Stream? What is generating more money in a year? Russia is very important for Turkey, because the EU will never accept Turkey as a partner, every turk knows this. And in contrast to EU Russia is not interfering in turkish domestic politics. So Turkey will try to balance between Russia and EU, to get the best profit.

Next offensive, Turkey will be silent...the turkish OP will remain for while. A small bufferzone for Turkey will be created, maybe 5 or 10 km. And after a few years Turkey will retreat complete, with nice contracts of rebuilding Syria. Sounds hard, but the butcher of Syria (Turkey) will come back as a partner...irony of history, we have seen million times.

Makes a lot of sense. But this is a senseless war in a senseless part of the world with an even more senseless wannabe Sultan fantasizer to accommodate. Would be nice though if your final outcome were to come true.

GarryB wrote:

As they warn on investment products 'past performance may not be a guide to future performance'. Just because a country was a huge power in the past doesn't mean it can be again. Even the largest empires turn to dust.

Nice quote to put on UK tombstone too?  Perhaps the US and French ones as well?

Definitely. I really wish we had gone further and the British Government and its PTB was no longer trying to be what it isn't. Roll on Scottish independence, that would be a power earthquake.

Like most the Turks are honorable. Like most they may have honorable or otherwise leaders from time to time.