S-400 SAM System Exports

Arrow wrote:S-400 use only one type of munitions 48N6DM missile. Of course meyby mythical 40N6.

miketheterrible wrote:

Maybe, but not safe at all.  The Russian mod isn't foolish though.  They know very well what is possibly at stake. Giving modern, advanced Russian AD system isn't a smart thing to do, especially to Turkey.  But S-400 isn't anything new technically, and they could end up giving Turkey something like a PMU-1 but renamed to S-400.

-400 uses 4 types of munitions: - 48N6DM - 9M96M - 9M96M2 - 40N6 wrote:

agree, for instance S-400 of 2007 is very different from the S-400 from 2017 wrote:

Arrow wrote:

S-400 in Russia doesn' t use 9M96 missile. This missile will by in S-350 system.

Austin wrote:Once Turkey gets S-400 even lets say in downgraded version , NATO would start exercising against the system in multiple exercises.

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PapaDragon wrote:

Austin wrote:Once Turkey gets S-400 even lets say in downgraded version , NATO would start exercising against the system in multiple exercises.

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They have been exercising against Czech Cold War era S-300 and they still haven't cracked it properly (other than with raw numbers)

Austin wrote:Even if these systems are export oriented there is lot NATO can learn from it , Even Chinese and Indian system are export oriented but they are not hostile nations.

Isnt it surprising of all the system Russia exports Turkey needs only the S-400 when they can get THAAD/ASTER/PAC-3 etc from NATO ......Think Again!

miketheterrible wrote:Why don't you then go tell the Russians how fucking stupid they are.  Maybe then they will explain it to you.

Austin wrote:

miketheterrible wrote:

Austin wrote:Even if these systems are export oriented there is lot NATO can learn from it , Even Chinese and Indian system are export oriented but they are not hostile nations.

Isnt it surprising of all the system Russia exports Turkey needs only the S-400 when they can get THAAD/ASTER/PAC-3 etc from NATO ......Think Again!

Why don't you then go tell the Russians how fucking stupid they are.  Maybe then they will explain it to you.

May be you should do that

Austin wrote:Sometimes its better to give your adversary not even 1 % insight into your system , if that helps.

I oppose any sale of S-400 or top notch system to any NATO country ..it is just a way to gather intelligence

Grazneyar wrote:I read the article and it says that no deal has been signed, they are 'in talks'. It is an agreement in principle.
With the current political situation any kind of leverage or side agendas could be operating here. Unless Turkey leaving NATO is one of the key priciples agreed to I doubt this will go any further.

miketheterrible wrote:

Arrow wrote:

S-400 in Russia doesn' t use 9M96 missile. This missile will by in S-350 system.

Huh

rambo54 wrote:

First slide reveals the launcher: 5P85S
http://up.picr.de/29056339dm.jpg
hard to estimate the length. Could be 9M96E2 but also 48N6

Sometimes its better to give your adversary not even 1 % insight into your system , if that helps.

I oppose any sale of S-400 or top notch system to any NATO country ..it is just a way to gather intelligence

George1 wrote:Turkish President Erdogan announced the signing of an agreement with Russia on the supply of S-400 SAMs

As TASS reported, Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan said on July 25, 2017 that Ankara and Moscow had signed certain documents in the framework of an agreement on the purchase of Russian S-400 surface-to-air missile systems. "We took steps on this issue with the Russian Federation, signed signatures, and I hope we will see S-400 rockets in our country, and we will also ask for joint production of these systems," he said.

http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2749330.html

AlfaT8 wrote:

George1 wrote:Turkish President Erdogan announced the signing of an agreement with Russia on the supply of S-400 SAMs

As TASS reported, Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan said on July 25, 2017 that Ankara and Moscow had signed certain documents in the framework of an agreement on the purchase of Russian S-400 surface-to-air missile systems. "We took steps on this issue with the Russian Federation, signed signatures, and I hope we will see S-400 rockets in our country, and we will also ask for joint production of these systems," he said.

http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2749330.html

Has the Russian MoD lost there damn mind, i wouldn't give Hitler his artillery, so why is Erdo getting S-400s??