1999 NATO bombing of Yugoslavia

Yes you can because while it's God given right of every Greenlander to live in glorified zoo without​ any hope for future and with record suicide rates all in the name of Gaia the goddess of Earth​, most Serbs would look into alternatives after a while

Funny you say that because Serbia is trapped in its own zoo surrounded by NATO and EU zoo keepers who probably have other ideas for the land you currently live on. It is only a matter of time before Serbia enters NATO and the EU an starts drinking the bottled water... Monsanto brand I believe...

Interesting that you think you know enough about Greenland to be able to tell them what they should or should not be doing.

Oh really? Russians sent us arms and military help?

Holy sh*t, what a turn of events!!! When did this happen, I must have missed it?

Of course... when the west wanted to crush serbia for all that genocide it was Russia that opened the gate for them and told them to have at it...

Given Russian track record I don't want them helping us, thanks but no thanks. Their "help" tends to amount to being swindled and thrown under the bus at first available opportunity.

Strictly business with them, much safer that way.

No friends, just interests... so American, but lets just ignore their situation at the time and the limits of what they could or could not do.

We have entire planet to pick from (and we already do): French missiles, European helicopters​, Chinese UAVs, Israeli comms, etc

And why not, I am sure those french missiles and european helicopters are made by the same people that so recently bombed you for your terrible crimes against humanity.... you know... being friends with Russia, but clearly they have cured you of that sin and you are going to be a good bitch now.

Russians stuff is predominantly mid to low quality gear with suspiciously steep prices for what it does

Generalisations are always accurate.

Plus we make most of our weapons since forever

It is how you beat NATO isn't it?

This isn't some Middle East or Central Asian sh*thole that Russians are accustomed to dealing with

Of course, you are so proud you think Russia didn't save you when you took on all of NATO so Russia can go fuck itself and you will be on your own like a martyr taking on all evil in the world that you now realise is not America, but those who oppose their will because it is just easier to give up... eh Greenland?

Besides, if we ever wanted to get loads of weapons for free (and damn good ones) all we have to bring is rubber stamp sanctions on Russia and watch the merchandise come pouring in

Damn gay ones I think you meant if you mean American second hand 40 year old F-16s but with no air to air missiles because you are not a reliable ally yet... just a useful idiot.

We don't do it because we opt not to (and are getting loads of crap for it routinely) but that's our choice

Where does your martyrdom end? Maybe you should come out and admit to sucking uncle sam dick and gobble down all that protein like a two bit whore...

So the way I see it it's Russians who will have hard time finding closer friends than Serbs not other way around because being friends with them gives you next to nothing while ditching them brings hell of a lot

Still we choose not to ditch them

Clearly you mean we as in serbia when you say not ditching them because you personally already called all their equipment crap and western equipment damn good, so you are whoring yourself, just not your country yet.

Go on... let go... you clearly want to.

Serbia will get in huge debts with Western arms.

Serbia is surrounded by NATO and the EU, what they should do is join the EU and then say that because they are part of the EU then NATO cannot be a threat, so if you don't join NATO you don't have to spend 2% on defence... you could disband your military and use the money saved on investing in infrastucture and hospitals and schools and shame the rest of europe to spend more money on their own people instead of funding a military organisation used by the US to invade and intimidate around the world... if you are not part of NATO I doubt Russia could care less if you joined the EU so your relations with them should be fine.

Now you are getting warmer

Of course... because Russia didn't start WWIII over Kosovo they are your worst enemy... worse than the actual countries that actually bombed you and humiliated you internationally... right.

Yeah, I'm not falling for another ban-bait again

Look elsewhere this time

I admit I am not proud of that comment and apologise because I now think I went too far.

It was certainly not an attempt to bait you. I don't like banning anyone, and have not actually banned many members during my time as a mod here.

There are no set hard and fast rules on bans... if I really wanted to any of the temporary bans I have given could easily have just been permanent bans, but if I can help it I would rather not ban at all... however rules are rules.

Location: New Zealand

So how is that visa application process for one of those commie utopias going?

Or is Starbucks Socialism still go-to ideology in rogue states such as New Zealand?

Yup, New Zealand... not the US of A, so when friends talk about getting gas from the gas station I correct them and tell them their cars are not converted to run on LPG. In sport I also notice rugby commentators now talk of conference play instead of pool play which I didn't really understand until I found out that American Grid Iron has teams in conferences rather than in pools, which I am also resisting openly... because I am not now and have no wish for any time in the future to be assimilated by the Borg.

You have clearly given up, and I am quite sad for you because that is how they get you. Social conditioning... aren't you a school teacher? I guess they have to convert you first because you will be teaching the next generation of serb boys and girls about the 5 genders and how homosexual relationships are just as valid... homo is a curse word now unless you are a homo and then it is a word of empowerment...

Carriers were irrelevant, almost everything was done with land based aviation

Wow, you know that but still think it is all Russias fault for telling your government that they can't win and to give up will reduce the suffering of their people and thinking they would be part of a UN peacekeeping force to ensure peace on the ground. They were probably as surprised as you were when they got screwed on that, but lets blame them for that too, because obviously they should have known everything well in advance anyway.

Papa Dragon doesn't speak for the vast majority of Serbs...some points he makes are true but overall he is delusional

Maybe we should start a separate topic in the appropriate part of the forum instead of derailing this one

Two good points... when someone has stockholm syndrome and has attachment feelings to the people who kidnapped them and brutalised them, while having hostile feelings towards friends who couldn't help them at the time for not saving them from the whole experience... and I will move these posts too.

As Slavs, I hope the Serbs won't become economic & mil. slaves to EU/NATO.

They work their best magic on the young, who believe their BS...

Indeed, with friends who can turn on you so quickly and easily without trying to understand why things happen that happened... such friends can't really be called friends.

And I really don't agree with the western definition either... a friend is a country that will back you up even after you brutally dismember and murder someone... no, I don't think so.

The US backing the UK or vice versa no matter what is stupid and self defeating... lowering the standards and totally ruining any moral high ground you might ever claim to be on at any one time.

If America was a good friend to the UK they would tell them they need actual evidence regarding the Skripal case before they start kicking out diplomats and calling for sanctions. Highly likely will just leave you with egg on your face internationally.... if I was Russia, I would be demanding apologies and compensation...

I remember very well. And I feel ashamed that the government of my country (Italy) did not block at least US airforce planes stationed in the bases in Italy.  We could have done nothing for the Navy planes from the carrier, but at least we would not have had the blood in our hands too.

Unfortunately we were and we remain a colony.

Recent years have really shown that Putin's government is worthless at realizing the impact of prolonged soft-power engagement. Same reason we lost Ukraine and are losing the younger generation in Belarus. Why are more Belorussians studying in Poland than Russia? Because they get grants. The return on funding a few thousand students a year to be engaged with our culture is immense in the long term, yet as with other soft-power approaches everything has atrophied.

I agree with you, but the way the Ukrainians accepted murdering Russian speaking Ukrainians and their government bombing and shelling Ukrainians because they didn't like laws restricting the use of a language they were used to using makes me really think Russia dodged a bullet there... they were total bastards, and to be honest I think Russia is honestly better off without them.

The fact that they are half of Russias land bridge to the EU means nothing when you accept that the EU accepted and did not complain when Russian speaking Ukrainians were burned to death in buildings because they spoke Russian... I really don't understand why you guys don't realise what sort of scum these people are... they are only 10% of the worlds population... or even less really... the US dollar is not backed up by anything at all... it is literally monopoly money... so claiming they are rich is bullshit as well.

My experience is that the richest people are the tightest people and the least nice... they treat others like scum or losers or stupid or criminals, and probably spend less money on products than poorer people who can't afford to buy in bulk and demand discounts or special deals.

They have flashy sales people and their stuff looks bright and shiny... but most is made in China these days anyway.

Serbias way forward would be to join the EU as fast as they can but avoid HATO like the plague, so they can spend what they want on weapons... right now they really don't need much at all, and they can use that extra money to improve standards of living and infrastructure in the country...